Episode #345 – Dress to Impress YOURSELF: Revamping the Fitting Room Experience with Jessica Papineau

I am so glad that you are tuning in today because my guest for today is someone that I think can really help so many of my listeners reframe their perspective on the way that they dress. I think that Jessica has a really unique take on the role that our wardrobe plays in our ability to bring a powerful presence into the world. And that’s something I certainly want to do, and I think the way that she makes this accessible and safe for us is just incredible. I met Jessica at a seminar that I was attending around marketing, and I started following her on social media. One day, she shared an insight that really changed my thinking. Here’s what it was. It was that every woman, when she’s looking at herself in the mirror, focuses disproportionately on the parts of her that she hates, and it creates sort of a fun house effect of distortion that really throws fuel on the fire, right? Whatever we didn’t like, we don’t like it even more. And there are actually tricks to help ease this phenomenon and get a more realistic impression of ourselves when we are evaluating new clothing. And when you learn those tricks, they really create more freedom and more fun in the dressing room and beyond. So I like how Jessica brings a hefty dose of mindset and psychology into the styling experience, and I’m bringing her to the show to share more of her secrets with us. She is the founder of CSJ. It’s a leading styling company for really high-performing women who want to look and feel their best all the time, no matter what facet of their life they’re in. And she has spent more than 25 years in the fashion industry teaching women how to use fashion to serve their purpose and boost their confidence and elevate their image. She at this point has styled hundreds of women, everyone from moms who are struggling to dress their postpartum bodies to business women who are trying to up level their careers to seven figure entrepreneurs and professionals in entertainment and sports in the music industry and the whole time no matter who she’s working with her goal is to help women really imagine more for themselves and to align their look with the person that they want to be. Really breaking free from whatever has been holding them back and showing the world who they truly are. So without further ado, let me introduce my guest today, Jessica Papano. 

 

Cherylanne Skolnicki: 

Well, Jessica, welcome to the Brilliant Balance Show. We are so excited to have you. 

 

Jessica Papineau:

Thank you so much for having me, Cherylanne. I’m just thrilled to be here and to be speaking to your community of amazing women. 

 

CS:

It’s so fun because this is one of the lighter topics that we get to do. I think sometimes the stuff we dig into on the show can be very worky, very heavy. And I think people really love it when we get to do something that just reminds us that we are a 360 humorous woman. has a variety of interests and we can delve into all of them. And your particular angle on this topic was so resonant with me when we first met. And so I’m really excited to share some of your perspective with this group. So before we get into all of that and what you do, how did you get started in fashion? What do you love most about being a part of this industry in this world for your career? 

 

JP:

It’s so interesting that you see that. So I, the way that I grew up is completely opposite from the fashion world. So I grew up living off the land in Maine, backwoods of Maine. My parents were hippies. All our food came from our garden. All my clothes were from the Salvation Army. We had no electricity, no running water and an outhouse. I mean, the list goes on and on right? 

 

CS:

I literally, before we got on this, I’m like, I wonder if she’s gonna tell her backstory and should I clear it? And I love that you start with that because it’s so what a unique childhood. I just love it. I love it. So you have this entire kind of quiet off the grid existence about as far from the fashion world as you could possibly get. What lit the spark? 

 

JP:

I brought the fashion world to the backwoods of Maine. So my clothes that were from Salvation Army, I remember from the time I was about four years old, that I would put on these clothes and create all these outfits and pretend, I’d look in this full, in my full-length mirror and I would pretend that I was at all these different parties and that I was having fun. And I really didn’t feel like I was growing up in a place. I didn’t feel like I belonged because my interests weren’t what my parents’ interests were. And so I used this beauty and fashion to create this magical world for myself. So my superpower at a very young age became my imagination. And that’s really the start. That’s really the start. And then from there, I moved at 16. My parents had divorced. My parents divorced actually when I was five and my mom remarried another hippie and they continued on this path. And my dad moved to Canada, back to Canada. He was from Winnipeg, Manitoba. And he moved in with his mom. And I asked my dad, can I come and live with you? Not that I had a great relationship with him, but he lived in Canada. city and I wanted to work in retail. I wanted to dress other women. So that’s really where it started. And I went to this big city. I’d never been on a city bus before. And I put on my black skirt suit with nylons. I typed out my resume like an old typewriter and I took two buses to get to the furthest mall. It was a big mall. I walked in at 16 and I was like, “Okay, I’ve been dressing myself all these years. I cannot wait to dress a woman and have some fun with fashion.” I was thrilled to be in this new space. 

 

CS:

The clarity at 16 to have an inkling that these pieces, these clues that you were given of what you were interested in, you sort of threaded them all together and then had the courage to take that step. It’s so rare, you know, at 16 for someone to have that clarity. And then you’re still doing it, which is, and it’s morphed and evolved, and you have such wisdom in the perspective you bring now, but how cool that you really found it early on. 

 

JP:

Yeah. Love it. I will add, quickly add to that story. So I did get hired that very first day that I went to the mall. I was hired on the spot, but I had to go through every single store in the mall. And the furthest thing I’ve ever seen, I had to go through every single store in the mall. could feel my enthusiasm. And she knew I didn’t have experience, but hired me on the spot. But unbeknownst to me, I had been hired at a woman’s plus size clothing store. And I was this scrawny 16 year old kid and I had another roadblock. But it was the best thing that ever happened to me. because I learned how to dress different body types. 

 

CS:

Yes, and then who could have predicted how the world of body positivity would have evolved over, you know, from 16 till now. Like that’s been a critical juncture in the evolution of dressing multiple sizes as well and people looking good at any size. I love it so much. It reminds me of when I was working on Cheer, or my background in consumer products. I worked at Procter & Gamble. And when I was on the Cheer brand, we had this ideal client avatar that we were working with, who we dubbed the hip chick. And this was someone who really believed in the motto of look good, feel good. That was kind of how we described her, that she was very tuned in, that she couldn’t really do her best work or bring her best self forward until she felt like she looked good. And I think a lot of us may resonate with that idea of looking good, feeling good. Why is that? Why does that matter? At any size, why is look good, feel good such a mantra? 

 

JP:

Okay, so I’m just going to add one thing to what you just said. Look good, feel good, and let’s add good to that. Because I truly believe that when you feel good as a woman, you know, as a woman, if we feel beautiful, and we can look in the mirror and feel like we look like a million bucks, we can allow our true authentic self, our gifts, what we were born here to do, to flow through us, to be shared with the world, because when we’re not feeling great about how we look, right, we’re stuck in self. And when we’re stuck in self, we’ve got, you know, all these self-limiting beliefs. not pretty or there’s something wrong with my body. How as a high-performing professional woman can we show up in full power, right? So that we can deliver our message, our impact, and our gifts to those who truly need it. 

 

CS:

I mean, Jessica, it’s such a mic drop moment because the thing that you’ve flipped on its head and I think it’s the important flip is that it is not about what it telegraphs to other people. So we’ve had guests on the show where we talked about the presence and executive presence and how it’s not just, you know, people definitely, image is important, right, and how you show up and we make all kinds of judgments about people. But what I think is really interesting is how people respond differently to you based on, I’m going to get a little hopeful here, your frequency. I think your level of energy and frequency shifts and others are more attracted to that and they’re more open to listening to you. 

 

JP:

So it’s this whole like outside in, inside out, it’s this really cool thing that over the last 25 years, I have determined through watching these transformations with women. To really discover what that through line is, like what is this really all about? And I think it also has a lot to do with growing up the way that I grew up and thinking that the love of fashion and beauty was superficial because that was not important to my family. Interesting. And so the understanding over time that it isn’t superficial, it’s actually sort of endemic to your ability to bring it up. Such a powerful tool to really, like I said, show up authentically, but to make an impact in this world. Because what are the — I think of two things that are so important in this lifetime. And it’s not about how much money we make or all the successes. Those all feel really good. But at the end of the day and at the end of your life, when you’re looking back, you’re not thinking about how much money you made, right? You’re not thinking about all that you’ve accomplished. You’re thinking about two things, the connections that you’ve had, the relationships and how important those are to you. And you’re thinking about whether or not you had purpose and impact, right? I think that’s why it’s so important to really show up as you, authentically you. I didn’t figure it out until I was 40. I wish I would have figured it out sooner that I could really show up in my power and impact. 

 

CS:

Well, and I wanna underline that because I think that is the message we’re trying to get through today together is we want you to show up with your full power, your full presence to have the impact that you’re meant to have, like that purpose that you are pursuing. The thought is you will play small, you will play smaller, you will hold back, you will hide if you don’t feel like you’re bringing a presence forward that you’re really proud of. So when you kind of connect these dots and find essentially a look that’s really in alignment with who you are, then there’s nothing standing between you and the expression of that. And that’s where we get to purpose. So when we want to do that, let’s say, let’s imagine that many listeners today are saying, okay, well, then Houston, we have a problem, because the look that I am bringing to the world I do not feel is in alignment with really who I am or who I could be. And I am getting that disconnect. I am playing small. I am hiding out. I think a lot of times we all of a sudden we go to the mall and we start this scattershot approach to buying stuff that’s on trend or that a salesperson told us we should buy and we sometimes can follow those trends off a cliff, right, where we’re wearing things that are just not in alignment with who we are. It’s not telling the story that we want to tell. So how do you align a look with a person’s, let’s say brand, right, their persona, their essence? 

 

JP:

Before even stepping in your closet, before even stepping in a store, there has to be some preparation. I have a four-part framework that I use with all of my clients to guide them through to really get the most benefit out of what we’re talking about today. But I’m going to just share a little bit about my first two pillars of my framework that I think really could give your listeners today some great value. So the first one is review and reflect. That’s before you do anything. So it’s taking that pause, it’s taking that moment to literally close your eyes and imagine where you desire to be over the next six months, year, two years, whatever that is, and take out all of the shoulds of what you think you should be doing. But what do you truly desire? And I think as women, sometimes we never actually give ourselves permission to do that. But when you do that, allow yourself to dream, allow yourself to imagine, and allow yourself to think about what you feel like in this space of what you desire, and then step back from that, see yourself in that space, and what do you look like? And that’s where it all begins. And so then it’s a matter of then walking in your own wardrobe with that lens and discovering what aligns with that woman that you see in that image, in that dream. And pull those pieces out and discover, I do something called the, I use the three Fs, bits, fabric, fashion. Does it fit? Does it fit right now? Right? If it doesn’t, then it doesn’t belong in your wardrobe. It’s reflective of the past and you’re not going that way. You’re, you’re headed to the future, right? And it’s also body shaming if we’re keeping things in our wardrobes that don’t fit, right? We’re worthy of more. So that’s fit. Fabric, is the fabric still intact? Does the fabric highlight the best parts of our body, right? A lot of people hang on to things that, you know, so there’s some obvious things, pills on fabric, you know, the colors faded, that sort of thing. And then fashion, is it still in fashion? And then really taking a look, we can Google these things, right? And taking a look at what are the core pieces in your wardrobe that line up with the life that you desire, right? And then determining what are the pieces that are novelty pieces that line up with that. And making a list before you actually go shopping. So you go shopping with a plan. 

 

CS:

So I wanna ask you a question. Is this all part of review and reflection? 

 

JP:

Yeah. Now we’ve gone into assessment and elimination. So review and reflect is where you’re having this imagination session with yourself or where do I really see myself? What do I look like in that picture? What am I wearing? Right. What’s the overall image? And then you said. Assess and assess and eliminate, then you’re walking in your wardrobe with that lens of what in here lines up with that? Yes. So, and that I think is the step you’re saying so many people skip is they go straight to shop, right? Instead of really looking at what I already have that I can keep that provides this core, right? Maybe like a capsule of these are a few pieces that at least I can get started with. And then what can I add over time to that to sort of complete the look? Yeah. So that’s so important to me because I hate to waste money, right? I hate to say things like, oh, I bought this thing and I don’t wanna have the idea of throwing every single thing out and starting over again. And yet I go in my closet and think I am probably never gonna wear that piece. 

 

CS:

So is it like, does it end up being 50/50? Does it end up being, what do you think most women end up being able to keep out of their existing wardrobe? Or is it just all over the board? 

 

JP:

It’s all over the board, but this is what I found. It’s all over the board. Gonna resonate with a lot of people watching or listening. Many times when I am with my client and walking into their wardrobe for the first time, they have so many novelty pieces and pieces that you can’t even create an outfit out of. And here’s why, here’s what happens. It’s not shopping with intention, right? It’s shopping on emotion. So it’s like you walk in a store and all these like, you know, the shiny things, like all these different things rub our attention and it’s like buying, you know, those things. And really, it’s the core basics that people are always missing. But not just the core basics, core basics that are quality. So, you know, there’s a lot of talk right now about capsule wardrobe. It’s really something that I’ve kind of, I’ve been doing actually since the 90s, but we didn’t call it capsule wardrobe then. You know, it’s really a matter of taking a small amount of quality pieces that are not exciting to buy, right? Like a white t-shirt and a black suit and the little black dress and the right denim that fits you perfectly in all the right places. Those things are key. Those things are important. Because when you have all those things lined up, they’re going to take you season to season, and they’re going to feel good on your body. And women are worthy of wearing pieces that do highlight their best features. And you are going to have to make investments in the pieces. But at the end of the day, you’re going to save funds because you’re not going to keep rebuying the same white t-shirt at TJ Maxx, you know, or, you know, Walmart or wherever it is. I’m not saying you always have to spend a lot, but buying fabric plays a really big role in how things lie on the body and they feel and hold up. Especially in that core, those pieces that you’re saying they’re going to get mixed into lots of different outfits, but they kind of disappear almost because they fit so well. And they’re so, they just, they’re not the standout. You’re going to use accent pieces that can be maybe a little more on trend as the standout. And I think that’s where definitely I see people who are afraid to invest in those pieces, but the other one is how do you decide which trends you are going to take? If you’re trying to establish a look and there’s such a range, if you just go on Pinterest or Google women’s fashion, you’re right? 

 

CS:

One of the words that’s just like bleeding through and you’re without you saying it is intentionality, that there is this very clear intentionality behind, I know the look I’m crafting, I know the image that I am trying to bring into the world. It supports the message I want to have or the, you know, the, the person I want to be. And so now I’m sort of like, I’m in a search for what feels in alignment with that, whether I’m in a store or on the internet or wherever I’m shopping. And that’s the divining rod. Does this feel like it is in alignment, not with who I’ve been or what I’ve always bought or what’s on sale. But what do I actually need? So that would avoid sort of reacting to sales that get blasted at you on Instagram or whatever. 

 

JP:

Exactly. At some point, these clothes have to go on our body. And we started to talk about how there’s this classic moment where we’re like, well, I’m doing this wrong. Clearly my body sucks because this looks terrible on me. 

 

CS:

Given the hang ups that so many of us have about trying on clothes. You know, I suspect it’s going to be a lot of work. client, the try -on experience may not always be the most fun for them, at least. Now I’m sure you try to make it that way. So I’ve heard you talk about a few tricks you have up your sleeve to turn this experience into something that doesn’t make us want to, you know, slam the door and walk out of the store. What are some of your best ideas? 

 

JP:

A lot of times, when they’re trying clothes on, whether it be in their closet or in a store, they are putting them on and making an immediate assessment and taking them right off. Guilty, right? 

 

CS:

Yes, for sure. 

 

JP:

So when they’re doing that, a couple things. Number one, they are not taking the time to allow the piece to kind of mold to their body. So fabric… have shifted and changed so much over the years. Many of our clothes have, and I don’t know how many people look at the tags on their clothes to see the fabric content, but most clothing has a one to two percent lycra or elastane. And what that particular fabric does is all kinds of great things for our bodies. I mean, we discovered, we discovered this when, you know, with Spanx, and we discovered it with Lululemon, right? And we put these really tight things on our bodies. And then once our body heat, especially with denim, so I guess we can, we can use torture test. Yes, yes, we can use denim as an example, right? So you put on a pair of jeans, either from your closet, or, you know, in a fitting room, and you put them on, and you go, oh my god. I have a muffin top, right? Oh, I’m taking them off. Most women buy their jeans a size too big. And the reason why they do this is exactly what I just said. They put them on, they think, Oh, my gosh, I have muffin top and they take them off. You have to do the denim test. And the test is the denim test. The denim test is you put a pair on because oftentimes you’re looking for a pair of white jeans, you know, you’re going to go in the store and you’re going to grab a stack of white jeans that are all different styles, right? And maybe a couple of different sizes. Yes. You put on the first pair. Now, white jeans are the scariest thing for people to buy because they show everything, right? You have to put the denim on. When you go to do them up, you should have to like suck in just a little bit and button. Once you do that, you don’t really need to make all your assessments at that point. What we need to do– This would be a good time to have a drink, Jessica. That’s what we should all do right then. Yes. Use that time to try on different tops. OK. You need at least 20 minutes of having that one pair of denim on for your body to heat up that much. lycra. 

 

CS:

No way. 20 minutes. 

 

JP:

Yes. And sit down in them as well. So if you’re in a fitting room, there better be a bench in there because you need to sit down. You need to do some of your Pilates moves, like moving them, right? So we’re trying literally to warm up the fabric to our body temperature so that it adjusts. It falls the way it’s supposed to. supposed to and hugs the way it’s supposed to and it has to be warmed up.

 

CS:

Who knows that? I have never heard that before. That’s fascinating. 

 

JP:

People don’t know this. 

 

CS:

Do people in stores tell you this?

 

JP:

No, nobody talks about it. It’s like, this doesn’t need to be a hidden secret. It just really is and that is like one little thing that we’re… need to know, right? Because they’re going in stores, they’re buying the wrong size. You buy one size too big and it’s not, the Lycra then isn’t doing its job of smoothing and lifting and doing all the wonderful things that it can do, right? Because it’s just sort of hanging because it’s actually not right next to your body. 

 

CS:

You’ve created, you’ve done the Lycra’s job for it or you tried to by going to a bigger size and it’s like, hmm, we’re getting ahead of it. 

 

JP:

Exactly. Here’s the other thing. When they’re buying the wrong size jeans, then when women are buying the wrong size jeans, they tend to wear their tops untucked. And before we talk about that, I’m just going to give you a little scenario. So, when you put on a pair of fitted jeans and a fitted top, women women do that every woman does this one thing because I get to watch them when I’m working with them I watch them look in the mirror and their eye goes right to the areas of their body that they don’t like or that they’re shameful of and we all have them. I know I’ve worked with plus size women. I’ve worked with women that are super thin. Every woman does this to herself and when you do that and your eye focuses on what you don’t like, what do you want to do? Cover it up. Yeah, we’ll also take those clothes off immediately. Or take the clothes off. We want to cover ourselves. We don’t want them to be seen, right? If we’re wearing jeans that are not doing the smoothing and lifting that we want them to do, we’re going to put on a top that’s going to hide it. Instead of hiding, hiding not only our bodies. but we’re like, how we’re showing up, we’re showing up hiding. – We look like we’re hiding, yeah. – We look like we’re hiding. And then what does that do to your head? It messes with your, you wanna be unseen. You don’t

 your  white  jeans,  maybe  lighter  denim  that  you  wear  on  the  weekend.  Again, it doesn’t have to be a lot of pieces, but the really good quality is that it checks all the boxes of the different washes, the right t-shirts. And you want to have a good, casual white t-shirt and a dressier white t-shirt. And there are different categories. Obviously, we don’t have time to dive into exactly what constitutes both of those, but that’s key. And the black t-shirt. And also silk. A silk blouse in cream and a black.

And a silk or satin cami top in a black and ivory that you can mix and match with either a jean jacket to make it more date night fun or that you could put a blazer on with it. And so once we start in a little black dress, obviously, like all day long, and more than one little black dress, a t-shirt and then a t-shirt black dress, and then, you know, address your one that you could easily pull out of your wardrobe, you need great accessories. And it needs to, you can keep it really tight and really simple, a pair of hoop earrings that you love, right? A pair of studs that would be a good every day stud that you would feel good in, at least two necklaces that you love both, that maybe one of them you wear everyday and then you have another one you can layer with. But that’s great. You don’t have to have 50 of them, right? The shoes, you need to have a great pair of sneakers, a fashion sneaker that you could wear with your athleisure wear or you could wear more elevated with a blazer, a t-shirt and jeans, that sort of thing. Or with a dress. You know the… You need it in black and you need it in nude. I mean, again, these things are not exciting to buy, but they’re so crucial to set and reset your wardrobe for success. 

 

CS:

And from the things even that you’ve just said, I’m sure everybody’s running their mental inventory of what they have and not have from that. 

 

JP:

So, you know, if you’re listening and thinking, oh my gosh, I am in trouble, I don’t have any of it, you know, go back, listen, make that list. and it’s something you pick off over time. If you’re listening to it saying, “I think I’ve got a lot of those, maybe it’s time to evaluate, do I love the version of it that I have?” You know, when it’s time to put on that T-shirt, I ‘m like, “Oh, this neck isn’t quite right.” Like, there’s such variety in those basic pieces that you just described that finding the right fit, the shape, the neckline, it seems like it’s all part of the tweaks, right? that are customized for each individual.

 

CS:

So because this can get complicated, and some of us might feel like we’re in over our heads, if someone wants your support personally, how do they find you? How broadly do you work with people? Like, what does that look like? 

 

JP:

So we are in a massive shift right now in the business because we’ve built it up to a point that we have so many clients that we wanna serve and make sure that we’re able to work with them. They can work with me one-on-one and you know currently that’s what we’re that that’s just what we’re doing within the next six to eight weeks, it’s going to expand to a membership program So the one-on-one really is I do this virtually I do it in person and I also have a studio in my home In my studio boutique in Sarasota, Florida. We do a bit half our business in Sarasota. Half of it is all throughout the United States and we do one-on-one styling. I send style boxes to my clients with a lookbook of outfits that they can wear day to day and they can just simply go on their phone and choose what they’re gonna wear.

 

CS:

And do you get on like a Zoom call with them and they’re standing in their closet and you’re in Sarasota, is that how you do it? 

 

JP:

It’s interesting because I have it down so tight now as to how to do it in the most efficient way because again,

the woman that I work with, she lacks time. So we’re not going to go through everything in her wardrobe. I find that, you know, women wear about 10% of what’s in their closet, maybe 15%. So I have them send me photos of their top five or six outfits that they wear on a regular basis, so I can really see where the gaps are and what’s missing. And once I can see that and know their sizes, they’ve answered a bunch of questions, then we get on a call together and we talk about where those gaps are. And I pull the clothes from my curated lines of inventory and we start to see where we need to plug in and that’s when I can send them. And they do try on in front of me. Absolutely. We do it very efficiently. 

 

CS:

But you’re literally sending them a box of clothes and then they’re trying them on at home. That’s fantastic. Where do they find you online, Jessica? Just give us your URL and I’ll put it in the show notes as well. 

 

JP:

CSJstyling.com. And I have free resources, so I really want to share this because I know, you know, we covered a lot today on how to make these assessments. I have a free wardrobe edit blueprint on the front page of my website.

I think you may also have the link, Cherylanne. I’m not sure, but it is on the front page of my website, and that will give actionable steps that you can take on your own today to really begin to set your wardrobe up for success, simplify it and make it easy. You can also find me on Instagram and Facebook. Facebook, I’m Customized Styling by Jessica. Instagram is @JessicaPapineau. We’re on all the platforms. So you just Google me. 

 

CS:

And from the website, they can probably find their way to all of this. 

 

JP:

They can find their way to all of those different things. But we are in the process right now. I just wanted to share this real quick of creating a membership program where you can find a community where there’ll be interaction, obviously talking about fashion and questions being answered. We’ll dive deeper into each module of the course, do live Q&As, demonstrations, webinars, and bring in live guest expert speakers like yourself. And then also they’ll have access to our lookbook, which we’re going to be rolling out as well as a separate app. It’s so cool. So many things are happening.

And then the top tier is work. one-on-one with me as well as having all of those other resources. 

 

CS:

That’s so great. So people can sort of, you can meet them where they are based on what they want to invest and how much support, how much personal support they really need. Awesome. Well, again, I want to thank you for sharing like your experience with us, but also some of these more psychological insights about how do we get in our own way when it comes to the clothes we wear and how important it can be when we start to really bring it into alignment with the presence that we want to have in the world. So thanks for being with us today. It’s been fantastic. 

 

JP:

Thank you so much for allowing me to come on and share the message. I love sharing this message with women. Every woman needs to know this.

 

CS:

Okay. Thank you for staying with me till the end of this episode. I want to reiterate that in the show notes, I will have links to Jessica website at csjstyling.com, as well as a link to the free resource that she mentioned that she has for you so that you know exactly where to find her, should you want to schedule time with her and see what she can do to help you transform your wardrobe, if that’s something that you are struggling with. And if you are just finding this show through Jessica’s audience, welcome to you. I would love to have you listen to more episodes of Brilliant Balance. You can do that by following this show. So wherever you are listening to the podcast today, there is a follow button. Typically, it looks like a plus sign that you can click on this show’s page so that you never miss an episode.

 

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So, that’s all for today, my friends. Until next time, let’s be brilliant.